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Voice of Reason Alert: David Haye Says James Toney Is ‘Delusional’ About UFC Career


(Haye poses with freakishly large ex-champ Nikolai Valuev, who Haye defeated by decision last July. No, there is nothing wrong with your computer screen.)

For those of you who don’t follow boxing, David Haye (24-1, 22 KOs) is the reigning WBA World Heavyweight Champion who James Toney says he’s going to fight in October, right after he beats up Randy Couture at UFC 118. Coincidentally, Haye is a big UFC fan who trains in MMA in his spare time, so he can appreciate the danger that Lights Out/D-Block is putting himself into by taking a fight against Couture, even if Toney doesn’t seem to get it. From Kevin Iole via BloodyElbow:

[Haye] doesn’t believe Toney’s going to be able to fight him after he gets pummeled by Couture, though he has mad respect for Toney’s boxing skill and record. “James Toney is the purest of the pure at boxing,” Haye said. “He is so brilliant at boxing and his skills are so ingrained in him that he’s been an elite level fighter, in shape or not in shape, his skills alone put him on another level as a boxer.

Haye believes Couture will take Toney down quickly and easily and pummel him on the ground…“Six months of training isn’t going to be enough,” Haye said. “As a UFC fan, I know two or three years wouldn’t be enough. How many times has Toney sprawled in his life? 500? How many leg kicks has he taken in his life? 300? How many Kimura attempts has he defended? 140? Even if he’s done double that amount, he wouldn’t have nearly the experience needed to win a UFC fight.”


Haye said Toney would be best off if he lands his punches early, because if he’s not finished after grappling with Couture on the ground, he’s going to be surprised by how beaten up and heavy his arms feel.

“I know from training in MMA myself that the wrestling aspect ruins your punching power,” Haye said. “After a minute of grappling, your arms, back and shoulders fill with blood and even if you then find space to throw punches, your power is suddenly crap.

“And I hit a lot harder and I’m so much faster than James, and I couldn’t land a punch on fighters when all they wanted to do was take me down to the ground. James is a much more static fighter than I am, and is going to get thrown on his back immediately by Randy. I admire Toney’s spirit and boxing skills. But he’s delusional here.”

Haye’s criticism follows comments by notable trainer Freddie Roach, who suggested that Toney was being fed to Couture to make MMA look better than boxing. But to hear Haye talk about kimuras and they way your arms fill up with blood while grappling, it seems like he has enough knowledge about both disciplines to make an unbiased judgement about Toney’s UFC prospects. Which begs the question — when is David Haye going to get his shot in the UFC?

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Under Banga- July 1, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Yep, read an interview with Haye in' Fighters Only` a couple of years ago. He`s mates with Bisping. Good int he said he trains in mma.Also said it was very diff for a boxer to stop TD, reckons of a few hundred attempts he could catch them on the way in ,only rarely [upper cut] rest of the time he was on his back. Not promising for James eh
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Canadian Chronic- July 1, 2010 at 9:48 am
I hope Randy makes him cry like a little bitch for bad mouthin mma.

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Clyde- July 1, 2010 at 5:15 am
Yes, Randy will definitely win via the Republican National Comittee. Which according to Gus Johnson's homepage is another word for a geeyohteen.
Clyde- July 1, 2010 at 5:12 am
@ goat and wilson: Brilliant.

I'm not convinced that leg kicks or even side check kicks are part of randy's game plan. But yes, the RNC sounds like a good call on this.

Hang on, let me google RNC before I commit on that one...
Almost North- June 30, 2010 at 10:20 pm
@ President Wilson

Yo, I google, dawg.
Almost North- June 30, 2010 at 10:17 pm
I'm hoping its a picture of Jamie Yager in a little straw hat. Holding a piece of cardboard with "wil jumpkik 4 food" written on it.
Dick_Misanthropenis- June 30, 2010 at 10:14 pm
What happens when you google dawg? Do you get a picture of a dachshund in those crazy-big sunglasses and a little straw hat?
Joedirt- June 30, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Ballkick.. Randy isn't exactly known for his stellar leg kicks and I bet Toney can hit harder off his back than Randy on his feet... with that said, Randy is gonna destroy Toney. I'm thinking one less than committed leg kick... a sort of fake as if he is going to trade a few punches, then take down. I'm calling rear naked choke.
snakey- June 30, 2010 at 5:36 pm
So a well respected boxer, with knowledge and experience with both codes, pays MMA a compliment and the comments focus on allegations of him ducking fights.

What's with all the bitchiness all the time?
RwilsonR- June 30, 2010 at 4:29 pm
@ Goat

That's funny, because after reading this article Gus Johnson quickly googled "kimura", also.
fatbellyfrank- June 30, 2010 at 3:30 pm
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Lysol- June 30, 2010 at 3:24 pm
Haye is a great fighter, it's refreshing to also know how honest and humble he is while evaluating his own skills.
just some dong- June 30, 2010 at 3:20 pm
No end quote after the second Haye quote. Want me to edit this shit for you?
DaltonSwayze- June 30, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Haye is going to get destroyed once he gets the balls to fight a Klitschko. Yeah Wlad's been knocked out, but I don't think Haye's got a punch like Sanders or Brewster or even Sam Peter. Knocking out John Ruiz meant that ol' jab and clinch is a thousand years old, not that Haye is some destroyer

That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing him give MMA a shot, though I doubt he will until he is either past his prime, or beaten badly by either Klit.
justscrappin- June 30, 2010 at 3:13 pm
No he didn't...cuz he ain't even going to get involved in that faggot shit on the ground. So no need to use the internets to learn about any "submission" that might be applied if the fight hits the ground. PLUS...........Toney doesnt know what google is...he thinks it is also some faggot shit, which of course he wants no part of......like the ground.
Goat- June 30, 2010 at 3:05 pm
After reading this article, Jame Toney quickly googled "kimura"
Ballkick- June 30, 2010 at 3:04 pm
The headline says it all James Toney is delusional if he thinks he can win this fight.

I cant wait to see how many leg kicks Randy lands on Toneys lead leg. Boxers traditionally have a much deeper stance, and Randy needs to exploit that.
If Randy does just that one thing,.. the fight is all but over.
If you cant stand on that leg all your punching power and mobility goes out the window.
Look then for Randy to handily take him down and submit him by way of RNC, or pound him into tapping. I can not see Couture being stupid enough to want to stand and exchange with this guy.
justscrappin- June 30, 2010 at 2:56 pm
He isn't british? Either way it was funny Misanthropy. That's right...reppin the original.
Dick_Misanthropenis- June 30, 2010 at 2:36 pm
...it's either Tori Spelling or a platypus. Where's FieldBiologistFrank when you need a positive identification on random Australian wildlife?
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